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Statue Of Muhammad Ali In The Capitol Building

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Joseph JT
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It doesn't surprise me Greg Stumbo wants to put a statue of Muhammad Ali in the Capitol Building, like Ali, Stumbo dodged the draft and Vietnam War too. He was born August 14, 1951 and turned 18 in 1969, the war was still raging. Mr. Ali did more than dodge the draft, he gave aid and comfort to the enemy that was killing United States military personnel. At most, Mr. Ali would have been in Special Services and could have been invaluable to promote racial harmony amongst the troops serving in Vietnam. Mr. Ali stated he was a conscientious objector, he could have been classified 1-0-S, conscientious objector status and exempt to combatant and non-combatant training on religious grounds but still required to serve in alternative service not in the Armed Forces. The fact being, Mr. Ali thought he owed nothing to this country and used the Vietnam War as an excuse and was really protesting the draft and the very idea, he might have to serve. I haven't seen him protesting the conflicts and wars since Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq still going on right now. I certainly am in favor of a prominent African American born in Kentucky having a statue in the Capitol Building, many more deserving that Mr. Ali. Mr. Garrett Morgan, inventor and entrepreneur born in Paris, Kentucky invented the respiratory protective hood, precursor to the gas mask and saved lives in a tunnel explosion in 1916. Mr. Morgan also invented the traffic light, two devices that have save millions of lives. Another great African American much more deserving than Mr. Ali is Carl Brashear, born in Tonieville, KY and the first African American to become a U.S. Navy Master Diver in 1970. Even the amputation of one of his legs, during a recovery mission searching for a nuclear bomb aboard a B52 that crashed, didn’t stop him from again being the first amputee to become a certified Navy Master Diver The movie, MEN OF HONOR is the life story of this patriotic African American, who even though experienced the same discrimination like Mr. Ali, still served his country and set an example for all Americans. Mr. Ali doesn't deserve to be honored in Frankfort and when Mr. Stumbo brings the subject up again, maybe he should take a trip to the Kentucky Vietnam Veterans Memorial and while looking at those 1,103 names reflect how they and their families might feel about honoring Mr. Ali.

WILLIAMH
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Statue

Carl Brashear, is more heroic than Ali will ever be. His statue belongs in the Capitol Building. This is not a decision Greg Stumbo should make. Ali center is enough for this draft dodger.

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PJ
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total agreement

I am in total agreement. There are lots more African American born and raised in Kentucky that are MUCH MORE deserving that Cassius Clay, aka Muhammad Ali. I remember well when he came forward saying he was a conscientious objector and then apparently when all else failed, he changed his name and religion which, in itself, would not be a bad thing if not done for the wrong reason. He avoided the military and the draft by doing this while others went into the military and served their country to make it safer for him and everyone else. So many younger people do not remember these events and haven't been taught about this for whatever reason. Some things in history have been "swept under the rug" so someone wouldn't be offended or labeled racist. I agree with JT that any of the other African Americans he named are much more deserving not Clay, aka Ali. Stumbo may think we have forgotten but we haven't.

Joseph JT
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Thank You

Thank you, Sir, your support is greatly appreciated and also your kind comments about those of us that served make me even prouder I went when my country called! God bless you and your family.

Greg_F
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I was not aware that Ali

I was not aware that Ali "gave aid and comfort to the enemy." Could you provide more specific information on that?

Joseph JT
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Aid & Comfort

Dear Mr. Greg_F,
Sir, Mr. Ali gave aid and comfort to the enemy by his open and vocal opposition to the war in Vietnam. The enemy, the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong (South Vietnamese Communists) used that public and vocal opposition to their advantage to urge their people to keep fighting no matter how many casualties it took which is exactly what happened; unfortunately, that also meant more Americans being killed because of this resistance not to quit by the enemy. I also ask you this, Sir, what wars and conflicts since Vietnam have you seen Mr. Ali and the many other Vietnam War Protestors participate in since the Vietnam War ended on April 30th, 1975? Please don't take my word for it, read the words of Ho Chi Minh, General Giap and other leaders from the NVA and VC (National Liberation Front). I would be the first to agree that African-Americans at that time, especially in the south, had no rights themselves because they lived under JIM CROW LAWS that discriminated against them because of their color; having said that, Mr. Ali would have been in SPECIAL SERVICES and would have not had to fight a day in his military career. The powers that be treated Mr. Ali and other African-Americans as second class citizens but this country also afforded Mr. Ali the opportunity to earn millions of dollars and he could have used his pulpit as a soldier to ease racial tensions in the non-combat units and to go around and visit the soldiers at the FIRE SUPPORT BASES but he chose not to serve. Mr. Ali was a prominent American figure at the time of the Vietnam War and his opposition and image was used by the enemy to show that it would be a matter of time before the American public would tire of the war and quit but in the meantime more Americans died. I have no hatred nor ill will, Sir, against Mr. Ali but he certainly doesn't deserve to be honored with a statue in the Capitol of the Commonwealth Of Kentucky when we have other more deserving prominent African American citizens, one being Master Chief Carl Maxie Brashear. If you saw the movie, MEN OF HONOR, then you know the story of this great AMERICAN. Facing the same discrimination and Jim Crow laws as Mr. Ali, although NOT having high priced lawyers and advisors to help shield him from those injustices, Master Chief Brashear chose to serve his country and proved that African Americans were every bit as tough, loyal, intelligent and patriotic as any other American! If a statue of a prominent Kentuckian that is African American ancestry is to be put in Frankfort, hands down Master Chief Brashear deserves it so much more than Mr. Ali. This is my opinion, Sir, and thank you for asking.

billmichael
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I agree with JT...

Nowadays, Muhammad Ali is a sick and shaky old man and most Kentuckians are simply too polite to embarrass him in public by recalling the truth about his past. There's a lot that could be said that isn't pretty. No matter how unflattering, everything JT said is true. If I were Stumbo and I really cared about the dignity of a broken old man like Ali, I'd shut up.

Joseph JT
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billmichael

I agree with you, Sir, and your reply was eloquent and "hit the nail on the head!!" As I said above, I have no ill will nor hatred towards Mr. Ali and we agree 100% that Stumbo should just SHUT UP but like most politicians, Stumbo is looking for votes at the expense of the valor, service and feeling of many Vietnam Veterans and their families. Great reply, Sir!